with almost tears in there eyes they say "I miss you"
I have thought of this and I was going to say if they missed me so much why did they not call! - To direct perhaps???
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Hmm this could be tricky - I am going to a JW wedding.
by The Scotsman inyes a close family member of mine is getting married next weekend and me and mrs scotsman have been invited.. to set the scene - i have not been to a meeting in 2 years, 2 months and for mrs scotsman it is just under 2 years - so we have not seen any of our ex jw associates since then - but they will all be at the wedding!!!!.
we are not dad or dfd so they will be able to talk to us if they feel the urge.. the good thing is we are not the only ex jws/non jws going, so this will help.. the worry i have is what some of these jws might try.
for many of them, the last time they seen me i was an elder flying the wt flag - now i am out the truth dead at armageddon!.
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Hmm this could be tricky - I am going to a JW wedding.
by The Scotsman inyes a close family member of mine is getting married next weekend and me and mrs scotsman have been invited.. to set the scene - i have not been to a meeting in 2 years, 2 months and for mrs scotsman it is just under 2 years - so we have not seen any of our ex jw associates since then - but they will all be at the wedding!!!!.
we are not dad or dfd so they will be able to talk to us if they feel the urge.. the good thing is we are not the only ex jws/non jws going, so this will help.. the worry i have is what some of these jws might try.
for many of them, the last time they seen me i was an elder flying the wt flag - now i am out the truth dead at armageddon!.
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Yes a close family member of mine is getting married next weekend and me and Mrs Scotsman have been invited.
To set the scene - I have not been to a meeting in 2 years, 2 months and for Mrs Scotsman it is just under 2 years - so we have not seen any of our ex JW associates since then - but they will all be at the wedding!!!!
We are not DAd or DFd so they will be able to talk to us if they feel the urge.
The good thing is we are not the only Ex JWs/Non JWs going, so this will help.
The worry I have is what some of these JWs might try. For many of them, the last time they seen me I was an elder flying the WT flag - now I am out the truth dead at Armageddon!
We are both trying to get ourselves mentally prepared for the wedding day. We are determined to show that we are both happy without JW-ism and that life goes on - there is a life after WT!
I know for a fact some Elder/MS types will be up at me asking what happened - why have I stopped attending etc.
To be honest - we are both looking forward to the day - though it will be fairly awkward to begin with.
So what should we expect - to be ignored or to be grilled?
Any tips/experiences appreciated.
Mr & Mrs Scotsman....
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All Aircraft grounded in the UK, France, Holland and Denmark
by llbh inbecause of a large plume of dust being blown to the uk by a volcanic eruption in iceland all aircraft in the uk and beyond have been grounded, no airplanes are flying at all, they will not be flying till tommorow at the earliest , and then maybe not.
apparently the dust can cause engines to stall, which has happened before.. heathrow is the busiest international airport in the world, and second busiest overall, the dislocation of passengers all over the world is massive.. .
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/default.stm.
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Debate was good actually - better than I expected.
Nick Clegg did come across better, I was disappointed in David Cameron, Gordon brown was not much better.
Its got hung parliament written all over it.
The flights being grounded is unprecedented. I live nearish to glasgow airport - I would usually hear planes overhead every few minutes - total silent now.
Is it the beginning of Armageddon.
Are these the signs in Sun and moon and stars?
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How Did You Find New Friends?
by daringhart13 ini'm painfully curious on this subject.. when you have devoted your entire life, your entire social circle, everything you know......to this religion....when you fade away, how did you make new friends?
how did you replace all those people you thought were your friends?.
on top of fading away....... i lost a 'relationship' with a 'sister' due to not wanting to continue as a jw.
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I mostly gained new friends from my work.
When I was an active JW I kept work mates at arms length - did not want to get to close. Whenever they were going out for a drink I would always decline.
But when I stopped attending meetings I saw these people in a whole new light and allowed myself to get closer. Turns out they are decent people, some religious, some not. To be honest they are better friends than I ever had in the org.
JW friendships are very conditional as you have already realised.
So workmates, neighbours etc - just allow yourself to get a bit closer.
It will take time but many 1000s have already been there and survived - perhaps ended up even better then before.
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Theocratic sleeping: have you seen anyone asleep at the KH? Or done it yourself?
by highdose ini must admit have done the whole nodding thing and even once at an assembly fell asleep on a brothers shoulder... shame he wasn't cute!.
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I nodded off quite a few times
But the hardest for me was District Conventions, those long sessions pushed me to the limit.
Once I remember the Bro's and Sis's coming on to the field (Perth, Scotland) for the drama with all the costumes etc. The next thing I heard was the applause and they were walking off - I had just dropped into a deep sleep for the entire drama - I felt quite refreshed.
I eventually started to volunteer as an attendent so I could get out my seat and wander about a bit and stretch my legs.
I really miss those days!!!!
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What charitable works does the WTBS do in the UK?
by highdose inin the uk they are registered as a charity.
its made clear from the platform that this is for tax reasons, they get a nice tax break from the goverment.
but what charitable works do they actualy do?.
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Their have been some recent developments regarding this.
Qoute from charity commission as follows -
Section 2 of the Act (which came into force in April 2008) lays down the requirement that in order to qualify as a charity an organisation’s purposes must be for the public benefit (in addition to being charitable). As a result all charities registered in England and Wales must now annually demonstrate to the CharityCommission that that they satisfy this requirement.
Charities can no longer relax safe in the knowledge that their intentions will be presumed to be for the public benefit. Prior to the introduction of the Act, there was a presumption that charities dedicated to the advancement of education, the advancement of religion and the prevention or relief of poverty were automatically for the benefit of the public.
So from now on, saying they promote the "advancement of religion" or the "advancement of education" will not be enough.
I saw a TV debate about 6 months ago that was discussing this and someone "from the charity commission" said that - it could be argued that not all religions are for the benefit of the public, and that an in depth analysis will be conducted over the next couple of years to ensure all registered charities actually do meet the requirements of the charter.
I hope the WTBTS (is it IBSA in uk??) get found out and lose the tax breaks they currently benefit from.
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Brand New: Currently Totally Devastated
by daringhart13 ini'm brand new to the board.
long time, "big shot" elder, ....taught at km school, conventions, etc.
yeah, i know it means nothing....but it gives you an idea of how deep i've been a jw.. i don't even really know what to write at this point.
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I guess I don't know what or how to contribute at this point because I'm an emotional guy....which made me a popular elder......but lonely person
I can relate to your experience as many here can.
You may feel lonely but you are far from alone - hope to get to know you better.
The Scotsman (also an ex elder).
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Atheist with crisis of conscience. Please help.
by parakeet ini'm an atheist having a serious crisis of conscience.
please help.. i've read many, many posts that talk about atheism as a faith as distinct as any other faith.
there has also been much made of the atheist lifestyle.. my dilemma -- i don't know what the atheistic faith entails.
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I don't think Mr. Christopher Hitchens will object to my copying this here (source: god is not great).
LOL - Mr Hitchens is one of the most miserable men I have ever seen - not exactly flying the flag for the supposed freedom of atheism!
Without a pesky diety to fear
Many believe in God - but do not "fear" a deity.
As to the atheist lifestyle, I'm not sure I'm living it correctly
Huh???? What lifrstyle? I am religious but have no set lifestyle.
Is atheism a belief? Or is it that atheism is "not" believing something? I am not sure what the correct definition would be.
Anyhows - I know plenty of atheists - are they happier people than believers - well, no to be honest - they are as happy/unhappy as everyone else.
Are they more free than believers? I suppose they are in certain ways - but it does not seem to lead to greater happiness for them.
Believe what you want and live the best way you feel - enjoy life.
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How many here desire 'Reality' over the fantasy of eternal life?
by AK - Jeff inme.. wasting time believing in such silliness is like hoping one day to turn into mickey mouse.
why not accept life now, while you have it, and understand that like all others before you, you are going to die too.
you won't wake from that.
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Hey AK-Jeff
No great shocks in your post - you don't believe - we kinda got that impression already!!!!
I may believe in an afterlife - but I aint going to sacrifice my current life on this earth waiting for it.
Luo bou to - your comment below is so true.
It's tragic when we live in the past " if I only did this or did that" or the future like the witnesses do " when the new system comes I'll be happy". Both attitudes rob us of enjoying life now each day.
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